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[00:00:00] Chris Furlong: Welcome back to the further your lifestyle podcast, conversations on lifestyle passions and hassles my name's Chris Furlong. And I'm your host. And I'm super excited to be back here having the conversation with you episode 49, it's a big milestone. We're so close to 50. So I appreciate you being here. And it's an exciting journey to get here so far.

[00:00:18] Chris Furlong: Now today I have the absolute pleasure to invite back Ethan Rooshock, who was here about a year ago or so, and now Ethan, he's an accountant. He's got his own business and he's doing some pretty amazing things in the last year. He's grown his business, doubled his YouTube, and also he's just about to launch an NFT project and he also got married.

[00:00:36] Chris Furlong: So it's been a big year of different things. And the reason why I wanted to have him back was to talk about the things that he's doing or that he enjoys doing that enables him to further his. Um, and in this case, he's lifestyle too. We're going to dive into that today. We also touch on two points, which he wished he started earlier.

[00:00:53] Chris Furlong: And I think this is super important for anyone that's listening is that there is things that we wish we all started earlier. And to hear it from his perspective of why, and if maybe there's an opportunity for you to start now and how you could get ahead too. So let's dive straight into it. Appreciate you being here.

[00:01:08] Chris Furlong: Enjoy the show. Welcome Ethan. Welcome back to the, uh, for the lifestyle podcast, mate. It's so good to have you back here for a second time. Uh, how you doing, man? 

[00:01:16] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah, I'm great. Thanks for having me again. It's really exciting to be back. I loved, loved doing it the first time and I've been able to make some of the other guests and people like that from doing the first one.

[00:01:26] Ethan Rooshock: So I'm so excited to be back here. I've been listening. I listened to one of the episodes yesterday, so yeah. I love the podcast and really excited to be a guest. Oh, thanks 

[00:01:34] Chris Furlong: man. I mean, you're totally welcome. And like, it's, it's, it's, it's not a year, but it's very close to a year since we probably first connected or at least when I was, you know, following you on YouTube and whatnot.

[00:01:44] Chris Furlong: And, and since then, like I know in general, the world's been for a roller coaster of a ride of just everything that's been going on. And I know for you, you've had like a crazy big year of so many different things, you know, with your business growing and you know, you're getting on the YouTube and growing on that and you've got married and now you're working on an NFT project.

[00:02:03] Chris Furlong: There's, there's quite a lot there. And I know we're going to be touching on some different things around, you know, how you're trying to further your own lifestyle and, and things like that. But I really do want to just touch on and catch up on you for anyone that has listened to the first episode. And if they haven't, I really encourage you to go check out the first episode with Ethan, but, um, you know, let, let's do a catch up.

[00:02:23] Chris Furlong: So what's been happening in the last year, man. 

[00:02:27] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And you put it on a lot of that. I think as we go along in our lives, we don't necessarily, I know you've talked about before on the podcast, you don't always look back at where you were 12 months ago. You kind of just you're so caught up in the moment and you don't really realize what's happened in the last 12 months, for instance.

[00:02:42] Ethan Rooshock: So yeah, it's been, I haven't realized that as it's going, but it probably has been pretty hectic. So my business grew dramatically in, in 2021. So that was obviously a good thing. Um, I started to get really unsure how to continue to get more clients. And I quickly realized that the best way to do it is to try and put out as much content and value to people and build that trust up.

[00:03:04] Ethan Rooshock: And obviously I'd just started YouTube in late 2020, but I quickly realized that the more content and the more you help people for nothing like it's your own time and you're putting that in, it doesn't matter. And I literally just got an email 20 minutes before we jumped on this call from someone saying he subscribed to me for six months on YouTube and is now reaching out to want to know about becoming.

[00:03:24] Ethan Rooshock: That's awesome. So it's a long-term game and that first six months of YouTube, you don't really get much. So yeah, a lot of focus has been obviously trying to get out as much content. I was aiming for two videos a week and I ended up with about 90 videos. So I was pretty close for that, but yeah, getting close to that.

[00:03:39] Ethan Rooshock: Um, yeah. And then obviously that translated into the business and the business growing, and then my personal life has been busy or they said they've got married in January. So January was a bit of a time off for me. It's time to. Kind of stop and reflect, but now it's yeah. Getting back into the, the, uh, busy-ness and trying to launch an NFT project.

[00:03:57] Ethan Rooshock: So that's been a lot of my focus probably since mid-November and so much time has gone into that. Suddenly I'd be well over a hundred hours of time dedicated on that project. So that will hopefully be happening in March. So, and it's all been about educating myself and learning about different areas.

[00:04:13] Ethan Rooshock: And I feel like I've learned more in the last 12 months than I ever had in a year period in my life before. 

[00:04:19] Chris Furlong: And I look, I mean, you've said it right there, it's kind of like deep diving and actually putting your hands into it and getting dirty is the best way to learn. Right. And a lot of the times. You know, you can go to university, you can do a course, but doing your own, I guess, your own learning or own education of, you know, whether it's a hundred hours, 50 hours and actually just getting into it, getting your hands dirty.

[00:04:39] Chris Furlong: Like if people were starting to code sometimes just watching people doing or reading about it, you know, that's overwhelming, it's scary. It looks cool. You and you go to do it. And you're like, I can't do this, but of course, because they've got all these fundamentals and foundations that they've had over the years, but if you go spend 50 hours starting from the bare bones, all of a sudden things start to click.

[00:04:57] Chris Furlong: Right. And, um, it's the same with NFTs. It's the same with me with reselling even doing this podcast. Like, it gets easier as you go because you know, you get all the fluff out of the way and you can progress on. So to, to, to keep you honest then, um, and we don't have to touch on it, very detailed, uh, for those that don't know.

[00:05:14] Chris Furlong: And I have touched on it on the podcast before, but what's an NFT. 

[00:05:18] Ethan Rooshock: So an NFT is a non fungible token. Um, that probably doesn't really give much way to someone told me that without knowing I'd go well, what does that actually mean? Part of the biggest, the biggest, easiest way for me to describe it would be it's a digital asset, but it's verified by the blocked Tang, which again, you don't need to go into that detail, but you think of any kind of digital collectible or digital asset, and you've got that verification purposes and that can be used for a range of different things.

[00:05:45] Ethan Rooshock: So for me, I'm using it as a part of business services and stuff that I can verify and go, yes, you own this. Therefore you get X, Y, and Z, and I can expand on that in the future. So in six months time, I can go with everyone that holds token a I'm going to go fly over there and meet up with them and have a meeting with them and talk.

[00:06:04] Ethan Rooshock: And there's nothing stopping me from doing that. And I can verify, but at the same time, if that person that holds token, I goes, I don't want this anymore. They can just go and sell that to someone else. So I ended up tastes, have the ability for people to move assets when they don't want them. So think of gaming, think of Pokemon cards, and then it can be things like, imagine your wheel is held vine NFT.

[00:06:25] Ethan Rooshock: Wow. And when you pass away, it's layer, it's coded to go with this as who is going to get the assets. There's no arguments over it. Cause it's all there. We're not going, oh, what is that? The current wheel that's held with lawyer a or is it that one there? We know that that's the verify. We know it's there and it's coded in that goes out automatically.

[00:06:42] Ethan Rooshock: Once someone maybe hits yep. Go ahead. On, on chain. And it distributes it. So it's interesting. The opportunities are endless with it. Now there's a lot of hype over this and there's going to be a lot of people that lose money. But the underlying technology is actually really. Yeah, and I think 

[00:06:58] Chris Furlong: that's great.

[00:06:59] Chris Furlong: Right. And I think it, the, the key thing here is that it's, you know, it's early days for it. I mean, I've touched on with Taylor, one of the previous episodes and, you know, there's so much hype in, I guess, so many people dabbling in it. Right. And, and you're, you're building your own NFT project, which we'll touch on in a second, but I think it's just really important for people to understand that, you know, it is early days, it's kind of.

[00:07:18] Chris Furlong: You know, when the internet first came out, you know, I mean, it's been around for years and years, but there's all this uncertainty, but also this excitement and everyone's hyped and everyone just wants to be part of it. Right. And I think it takes a little bit for it to kind of like settle down, get its, I guess its groove or its um, its way of flow into society because you'll soon find who are the big players, who are the people that are committed versus who are the people just here to make money and who are the people that are actually not that serious about it.

[00:07:47] Chris Furlong: Um, and it's like with any trends or anything that pops up once it dies down, you actually still realize who are the people that are in this for the long game and not just here for a quick buck. And I think that's important to understand when you are, if you go do research on this, yourself that uh, you know, think about long-term and don't try and get so stuck up on the, on the short-term because otherwise.

[00:08:07] Chris Furlong: You might, you might lose some money. Definitely. It can be a bit tricky. Um, look, I, I do want to say, yeah, congratulations are getting married may and I know that was another big milestone for the, for the, well, you know, you had been leading up to it and you had to do a lot of changing at the last minute, but you know, that's a great milestone.

[00:08:23] Chris Furlong: And also with just seeing the progression of, you know, you building your content on YouTube and obviously I don't see the day-to-day of your business, but you know, I can see that representation on your YouTube channel. And I think it's really good as he said, you know, to reflect back and see how far you've come.

[00:08:38] Chris Furlong: And sometimes we do, we, we forget to kind of look back and see, well, actually I've done a lot or I chipped away. Or as he said, he did like 90 videos or so, and you know, like that's a lot of effort, right? And it, it just goes to show that when you put things in place or, you know, set goals or set visions and dreams that as long as you're working towards that one step at a time that these things are more than capable to, to achieve.

[00:09:01] Chris Furlong: Um, let's, let's start back into the NFT project. Let's I mean, you can kind of pitch what you're trying to do there. Um, and then we'll, we'll jump into the full meat of the, the podcast. 

[00:09:10] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So my NFT project is called Rooshocks. So if you can find it on all the social medias discord is where I'm trying to learn.

[00:09:18] Ethan Rooshock: I've had to learn this discord is where so many people are discussing or the communities that growling regarding the NFT project, discord and Twitter to areas I hadn't really used. That was, I was familiar with YouTube and Instagram. So it's been a learning curve, but the aim of the project, my aim behind it is to show how small businesses or creatives or YouTubers or whatever you want to call yourself could use an NFT project that actually provides value for that audience, as well as themselves.

[00:09:46] Ethan Rooshock: No, I'm obviously dedicating a lot of time for it. So it's got to make sense to me, but my, the forefront is to go, well, what can I provide? That's valuable to my audience. And obviously I do my YouTube videos, but I'm kind of limited there. It's like you do a video and it's to a broad audience and I can try and interact in the comments and stuff, but maybe it doesn't allow me that one-on-one connections and the entertainer project is built around, well, what services do I offer?

[00:10:09] Ethan Rooshock: And now whether that's tax related services of obviously tax returns or tax planning sessions, but then I also do business strategy sessions. So, you know, discussing with business owners on where they're at, how they could grow their business. Gifts and stuff, but I've got ideas of how I want to be able to award holders that the only one of the characters and give them an annual gift or have networking groups.

[00:10:31] Ethan Rooshock: So the possibilities are endless. And what comes the utility that comes with the initial sale. I can add to that at any time. So the first 10 token holders I might go, well, they still hold that in five years time. Thank you for supporting there for five years. Let's go do this. That's what I really like about the ideas is verifying, who is actually supporting me.

[00:10:51] Ethan Rooshock: And that's not to say that there's other people that aren't supporting me. You don't have to be a token holder to, to show you support, but it just gives you another option, no different to a membership gods or subscription does, or a mentor group, all those different ways, but it's just a way to verify it.

[00:11:04] Ethan Rooshock: So I've drawn all the artwork myself, and I'm definitely not an artist. So that's been a real challenge. It definitely is. I've got a process now I know how to do it, but when I first load up Photoshop, it was. Uh, what have I got myself into? So I wanted to make authentic, it's not necessarily about the artwork.

[00:11:23] Ethan Rooshock: I think founders a funny, all that Coles. So yeah. But yeah, and then trying to these characters are based on there's different sections, but I won't go into too much detail, but I've got characters that based on things I like, so I've got the accountant, I've got objects, like the soccer ball, and then I've got some of them based on, on guests like yourself.

[00:11:40] Ethan Rooshock: So we've got the flipper. So it's been a really cool learning and the learning experience has been worth it just in that, if I didn't sell a single one, then I've learnt so much, which has been really bad. Yeah, no, 

[00:11:52] Chris Furlong: that's really exciting, man. And I guess to play it back for those in case they still haven't kind of figured it out yet, but think of it like kind of like a country club, VIP, or a loyalty program in the sense that, you know, you sign up as a member and you know, the longer you're a member, the more access you get or some of the different perks you get opportunity to, or, you know, it's like sometimes if you're a regular customer to something, when you walk in the door, you're greeted with, you know, maybe you're getting free drinks for the week or, or whatever it is, and it's the same mentality, but it's in the digital space.

[00:12:20] Chris Furlong: And obviously, you know, Ethan gets to control what he can put to it, whether it's, you know, people that own this membership for some amount of time, Maybe one day, you can say, they'll just have unlimited tax returns or something, but at the start, it's just limited to one or two or three. Um, and it really is the world is your oyster kind of vibe when it comes to it, because yeah, as you said, you get to choose and you can change it later, um, to make it more beneficial for those that have stuck around for the longterm.

[00:12:45] Chris Furlong: Um, but also just, you know, spice it up and as you learn and see how, I guess how that space evolves, how you can help evolve it too. So, I mean, not to put, put you on the spot, but I know you have a launch, uh, close coming up. Um, w w when, when can we expect to see something? And of course, all this will be in the show notes, folks, the website, all the details.

[00:13:05] Chris Furlong: Um, if it's not there now, it will be there when it goes live, but you know, he's Twitter and discord and things like that. But w when can we expect to see something like. 

[00:13:13] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. So, I mean, for a launch mid to late March, I'm thinking, um, March has always been the goal. Um, there's some external factors that are outside of my control, people that are helping us stuff.

[00:13:22] Ethan Rooshock: So I am time limited on obviously those things, but the aim is to launch in mid to late March. And then the, I understood grow this, that, you know, 10 plus years, it's not something that I'm gonna abandon after a month. And that was my really big thing is that I wanted to show the people I am committed to things.

[00:13:38] Ethan Rooshock: And I've done that through YouTube, you know, 18 months journey on YouTube now of showing that I'm showing up every week, trying to put out more content, trying to help more people. So I'm not just abandoning this project. It has my face to it, which was something that was really important to me to go, yeah, this is me.

[00:13:53] Ethan Rooshock: So yeah, it's my reputation on the line. And therefore there is something for me to lose. Therefore, there is the reason for me to continuously support those, that support. 

[00:14:02] Chris Furlong: Yeah. Now that that's exciting. And I love, you know, when you, when you said 10 years, it makes me smile. Cause I, I like to think, you know, where are we going to be in 10 years?

[00:14:10] Chris Furlong: And I hope, you know, we can be having another conversation like this, you know, it's, it's just way to think because 10 years goes really quick right now it feels like a while away, but it will go quick and to be able to reflect back on those moments and that journey in between, it's going to be a pretty amazing experience.

[00:14:25] Chris Furlong: Um, I'm excited. I'm excited for you. And I, you know, you're the type of person that I can stand behind and think, yeah, you've, you've got the right intent here, whether it flops or whether it, you know, skyrockets at the start or maybe it never does, or maybe it does. That's not the point. The point is that you're doing it with the right intent.

[00:14:41] Chris Furlong: And regardless of if it goes big or not, there's going to be plenty of value there for, you know, the small amount of people that get involved or the large amount of people that get involved. So kudos dude. Um, 

[00:14:53] Ethan Rooshock: and that's, that's what I really like about the idea. Is it, if three people buy them and they drop four or $500 or whatever, I can make sure that those people will get their values worth no matter what.

[00:15:05] Ethan Rooshock: So it's not a project that's reliant on selling all 1200 paces. If I sell 12, then those 12 people can at least walk away and go that they haven't been screwed over or anything like that. I haven't had a rug pulled from underneath them. They know that well, I've got value for my money, and that's really important to me.

[00:15:19] Ethan Rooshock: It's not to, I'm not saying these are going to go up dramatically in value, and you're going to be able to resell them the next week for more. It's not necessarily about that now, if that happened. Great. I'd love. I love for all of my, my collectors to grow their wealth. That that would be ideal. The risk I'm taking that risk.

[00:15:36] Ethan Rooshock: Why putting all the risk on myself on therefore there's no risk for my community. 

[00:15:40] Chris Furlong: And I think it's great to have the mindset of looking long-term for yourself anyway, like setting that expectation. Um, and it's like with anyone getting into this space, because you know, it's like with anything it's like starting a YouTube channel.

[00:15:51] Chris Furlong: People see other people, I hear, they put a video out that went viral and you know, now they're making 10 grand a month or something and look, it happens. It has happened. I know people's happen too. But majority of people, it doesn't and you start and then you don't see what you're seeing everyone else getting.

[00:16:05] Chris Furlong: And you think what's going on? Am I crap? Am I not good enough? But that's not the reality of it. Right? It's just that no. Certain things just happen that way. It's like people that win the lottery, right. You know, where they did, they do anything better than you. I mean, they purchased the lottery ticket, but you know, at the end of the day, it is what it is.

[00:16:23] Chris Furlong: So I think going to the understanding what that expectation from your side and helping people understand that from, you know, people that are going to consume it, uh, is very key and it's a smart way of. Yeah, no, that's good. Uh, so let's, let's dive into the meat of this podcast and really, I mean, I know when we caught up, I wanted to really focus on niching down on ways that you are furthering your lifestyle.

[00:16:47] Chris Furlong: And I know we briefly touched on this last time when we did, um, your first interview and, you know, we got to know who you are, what you're about and some of the things that you're doing, but, you know, I think it's important to always hear it from different people. You know, what works for them, whether it's to do with exercising, whether it's to do with investing content consumption.

[00:17:04] Chris Furlong: And I know, you know, we've picked out a few already. Um, but hearing it from different people always brings better perspective because sometimes someone might hear it from me and they think, oh, it's not relevant, but they hear it from you. And it's like, ah, actually that's got a different spin or they might relate to you in a different circumstance.

[00:17:19] Chris Furlong: So, um, I want to dive into that. And I know we did, we, we went through and we picked out a whole different things and today we'll be touching. Exercising relationships, investing in content consumption. Um, so I'd love to hear, hear from you how have these areas, and you can break it down in what an wherever, or do you want, how have you leveraged those or how have you further your life from using these are different areas in your life?

[00:17:44] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah, I think, I think any of these topics are really cool and I think you've got a really good point there that the white, I may say it may resonate with someone and it may not with others. And what you say obviously may not. And I think we also lean towards, on some of these areas that, and obviously I'll talk about investing and stuff, but I suppose we lean towards what someone talks about a lot.

[00:18:03] Ethan Rooshock: So when it comes to something like I'll start with exercising and someone, like I only spoke to you the other day asking you questions on your YouTube channel about running, because I got w you might not be a personal trainer, or you're not a marathon runner that runs in the Olympics, but I know you've done these.

[00:18:19] Ethan Rooshock: Somewhat level more than what I have. So I go, well, I'll trust him, he's done it. And then if I would just get some advice from him and it might be a bit from even a bit from that. So yeah, exercising is one that I'm trying to further my lifestyle with because I understand how important it is and I've always loved sport and things like that.

[00:18:36] Ethan Rooshock: So I really understand what that is important to mental health, to physical health and just breaking out your diabetes. So I'm trying to put a bit of a routine in place. And I started running in probably late September and just trying to use that exercise because I've had such a stop-start relationship with exercise all through my childhood.

[00:18:54] Ethan Rooshock: I played sport nonstop. That's all I ever did. And it got to finish, I think year 12, it was like, oh, I'm busy. I don't have time for sport. Um, you know, you're getting to other life things that are happening in your early twenties and you're like, oh yeah, that'll happen. I'll get back into it, get back into it.

[00:19:11] Ethan Rooshock: And then I eventually did get back into sport and probably about 22, 23, and I had. I I've never had injuries in my whole life. And it was like, oh, so that put me off again. And it was like another couple of years off. And then I got back into it. Couple of years had gone and had interviews again. It was just like the frustration of not being able to consistently exercise and I'd been in and out of gyms and all those kinds of things.

[00:19:32] Ethan Rooshock: So in the last few months I've gone. Okay, well, I want to start running. Cause that's something that I'm in control of. It's I suppose, a lower risk. It's not a contact sport. It's just me. There's definitely injuries. And I've already had, had troubles with that, but it's something I can focus on or I can set a schedule and I can set goals in there.

[00:19:48] Ethan Rooshock: They're self-controlled goals that I can go, well, I want to run five Ks, 10 Ks, or do I want to run to a time limit? I really liked those ideas because I'm in control of them. I can track them. I love tracking things. Yeah. But it's stuff that I can go, well, I'm going to build up to this. I don't have to do a marathon tomorrow, but maybe I want to do that in five years time.

[00:20:06] Ethan Rooshock: And it's a five-year journey. So I really liked that idea, but I think the exercise is really key for physical health, mental health and just a separation. If you die, when you do it in the morning or whether you do it in the afternoon or. It's something that can break up other parts of your life. 

[00:20:21] Chris Furlong: And what time of the day do you usually tend to run or exercise?

[00:20:26] Ethan Rooshock: Well, that's where I'm still trying to let that outside the routine isn't there yet? Um, it just depends sometimes hard because I'm probably, I've been trying to go in the mornings and I get up in the morning and I feel just exhausted sometimes at first, rather than like, oh, I can't do it. So then I might try for mid afternoon, but that doesn't work when it's a 35 degree day.

[00:20:44] Ethan Rooshock: Cause that's the hottest part of the day at three, four o'clock. So it's just trying to work out routine. I'm still, I'm still learning, learning what works for my body and what works best. And probably probably mixing that up still a bit and hopefully we'll get more of a routine, but I obviously started to be over Christmas time being away.

[00:21:00] Ethan Rooshock: So trying to get back into that routine and go look what works for me, because what works for me may not work for someone else. 

[00:21:07] Chris Furlong: And you know, you mentioned that you're starting to get into the running, but like other than running, what exercises would you normally lean towards? 

[00:21:15] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. So I suppose I've always played sports.

[00:21:16] Ethan Rooshock: So that's obviously been the one that's that's, uh, counteracted, that kind of stuff. So soccer is probably the main thing. And I'm hoping to get back into that again this year. And so that obviously provides that I have been in and out of gyms probably for five years now. So I'll go the gym for three months and then I'll stop.

[00:21:32] Ethan Rooshock: And I would like to be going more at the moment, but we've obviously just had all these other, other world issues that have been going on in gyms had been stopped start. So that's my main things is that I'd love to do more social sport, but it's just trying to find the time, like I used to play tennis and.

[00:21:48] Ethan Rooshock: Like I applied Twilight netball at one stage. I've got a friend that plays ball and I'd love to get into those kinds of things. It's just like those social aspects of sport that I think is so, so important that we don't always get, especially, you know, I work from home, so I'm not seeing people the time.

[00:22:03] Ethan Rooshock: So I do love the social aspects of sport, or even sharing of an individual sport like running, but you can build a community around them, really discuss what you're doing. So that's one of the really important things I think with sport and exercise is the social aspect of, well, just to talk to part of the people they're doing something 

[00:22:19] Chris Furlong: similar and I totally agree.

[00:22:21] Chris Furlong: And, you know, being a big run on myself, like the community saw. You know, like, especially during lockdown. I mean, I love running by myself. Like I love it. And then usually I'll run with Carla, you know, my partner and, um, you know, that's great, but you know, everyone's to their own. Some people don't like talking when they're running or people just like to, you know, get in their own zone.

[00:22:39] Chris Furlong: But you know, when it comes to like running events, like I've got a race event this weekend and it's damn it damn near talky and, you know, along the surf coast and things like that. So it's really exciting for that point. But then, you know, you're going to be running with other people. It's not like you're running and chatting with them, but, you know, just coming to yeah.

[00:22:54] Chris Furlong: Well experiencing, you know, encouraging, you've got people cheerleading for you and, you know, it's just, it's just a bit of an excitement. And I remember doing that after lockdown and just how, oh, like how much you realize you've missed it. And I can totally understand how, you know, doing some of these other social sports, you know, whether it's basketball, tennis, and all those, how, how they can be so important for your life or to further your life, right?

[00:23:15] Chris Furlong: Because that might be your key social part of your week or your day, or however it may be. And whereas other people get their inputs and that social connection through other means, but I can totally see how you've kind of got two elements of that exercising of, it's not just there to keep you healthy and keep you fit and keep you sane.

[00:23:33] Chris Furlong: But it's also keeping you connected. It's keeping you, you know, interacting with other people and that you are just not, you know, isolated, you know, in your own own world. So, okay. Now that that's really, really good. And I think for anyone that's getting into exercising is like, you kind of said, it's like set things that you're in control of.

[00:23:51] Chris Furlong: Right. You know, A lot of people had dreams and ambitions when we did go through a lockdown and you weren't able to go to the gym and things like that. But, um, it doesn't mean you can't exercise or you can't do those things. And as you said, it is, it's, it's hard to actually find those routines. Like for me running, I love to go out and run, but you know, I should be doing this cross training, you know, doing the weights and doing the strength training and that stuff like it's hard work.

[00:24:14] Chris Furlong: I hate doing it because I just don't enjoy it. Right. But that, that's just as important. That's part of the running and exercising that I have to do. So I'm doing a lot more yoga because it helps compliment it. But I think when you, when you, sometimes when you get into this and you know, maybe a light run is fine, but if you're starting to do it in up it, you've got to realize there's more commitments and more, um, I guess expectations that come with it.

[00:24:37] Chris Furlong: Uh, as you would know, when it comes to an injury, you know, the amount of work you have to do to get back on, get back on path, right. You know, whether it's doing these certain stretches or you can't do that, or, and it is it's frustrating, but I think it's a great parallel for life because you make stuff ups, you make mistakes and then you have to adjust.

[00:24:55] Chris Furlong: You have to maybe take five steps back before you can move forward again and readjust and realign. And you know, sometimes when you look at it from that perspective, you can start to realize, okay, we're all actually going through this. It's not the end of the world. Um, we just got to keep pressing on 

[00:25:12] Ethan Rooshock: and I think exercise, one thing that I love about.

[00:25:15] Ethan Rooshock: Especially, if you do it in the morning, there's no better feeling knowing that you've smashed that goal. First thing in the morning, I'd do it sometimes on the weekend and it's like, it's doing it on a Saturday morning. You just feel so great for the rest of the day, whether it's a gym session or whether it's a run, you're just like, yep.

[00:25:29] Ethan Rooshock: I've done my exercise for the day. How good does that. 

[00:25:32] Chris Furlong: Love it. That's great, man. Like, and I agree. I mean, I'm a morning, morning runner and I love it. You get out and you get it done. And then I feel like I've conquered the day. And then even if the rest of the day I don't get everything done. It's like, well, I might've done 10 K this morning.

[00:25:44] Chris Furlong: So it's like, you know, and it's just, it's just a booster. Right. And I think some people don't like the morning they would like to run after work or leave their head and things like that, which is completely fine. But, you know, I think a lot of this then helps crossover. Right? You mentioned that, you know, it does play, you know, helps with breaking up the day or clears their head.

[00:26:02] Chris Furlong: Do you find, and probably the next one that we'll we'll touch on is you mentioned around relationships, do you find, and then we can, we can dive into the broader topic, but do you find that helps with your own relationships? Maybe not necessarily the social aspect, but whether it's with your wife or just, you know, how you're interacting with people, um, that, that, uh, exercising helps, you know, I guess 

[00:26:24] Ethan Rooshock: I think it does.

[00:26:26] Ethan Rooshock: Exercising and has the health benefits that give you confidence. And I think confidence is key and relationships that people that feel great about themselves portray that to other people, and they become better people to be around and therefore your life relationships bloom. And, you know, if you're exercising and you feel whether it's a Betty body image thing or whether it's just theater and stuff like that, and you're in that positive mindset, when you go and you spend time with people that are important to me, you can really radiate that.

[00:26:55] Ethan Rooshock: And you know, someone that's feeling good about themselves and exercise is really a key one. So I think it sounds crazy, but yeah, it can really give you the confidence to ensure your relationships remain positive, maintain a positivity to them. 

[00:27:08] Chris Furlong: Okay. And then, and then, yeah, let's, let's talk about relationships in general.

[00:27:12] Chris Furlong: And so, you know, you've said that, you know, relationships have helped you further your life, or how are you leveraging those in your life to help you help grow. 

[00:27:21] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah, I think relationships are really important. It doesn't matter if you have three good relationships or 50 good relationships, you've got to have relationships with people.

[00:27:29] Ethan Rooshock: We are people we need, we need other people in our lives. And I love what I do with my business stuff and the YouTube stuff. And I can get caught up in that. And I've found the last week, the guest's like seven 30 at night and I'm like, I can't wait to go to the bed so I can get up and start the next day and get into things like that's how much I'm loving doing things, but it's so important to have those relationships outside of that.

[00:27:52] Ethan Rooshock: So I'm a single man team. My wife has helped me in the past with admin and stuff. When I do get. But in general day to day, it's just me. So it's really important to me to have relationships outside of that, because they're not there. I obviously have clients, but that's a different type of relationship, but I've come from previous teams where I had was lucky enough that I was in teams where I really got along well with I'm lifelong friends, with a lot of those people and still catch up with them regularly.

[00:28:18] Ethan Rooshock: So that's important to me, but I think it's really important to have positive relationships. And especially for me, it's mainly family. I don't have a huge friend group, and obviously it starts at home with your partner or your wife, whatever it is, that's really important for me because that's someone to, to bounce ideas off of, but at the same time, talking about things that are completely unrelated to what I'm doing on a daily basis.

[00:28:41] Ethan Rooshock: So it's so important to have that separation from what you do. So it's great when you've got family or friends or partners that are involved in what you're doing or interested. So I talked to my mom quite a lot to it, to my brother about business and those kinds of. But it's also equally important to have comes when you don't talk about your work and you don't talk about some of those hobbies, you have different people to talk to about different things.

[00:29:03] Ethan Rooshock: So relationships vary and I have different people in my life that I talk to different things about, and that either keeps me motivated to things or separates me from them when I'm. 

[00:29:14] Chris Furlong: Yeah. And I think that that's a key part that I've just taken away from that is making sure you do have those different people in your life.

[00:29:21] Chris Furlong: Because I mean, you're going to have the people that are going to cheerlead you regardless, you know, whether it's your parents or your partner or whoever, and that's great, you know, that's what you need someone there to stand behind you and support you regardless. But sometimes when it comes to feedback or if you're doing something and maybe they're not in that space or in that same, you know, environment, of course, they're going to be like, yeah, it's good.

[00:29:40] Chris Furlong: You know, good work, keep it up. But that's not the support you need. You need the support of like, okay, where am I doing wrong? Or how do I change it up? And, you know, getting that constructive criticism, because it's not about that. You know, people are saying that because, you know, you suck, they're saying it because they want to help you grow.

[00:29:56] Chris Furlong: And unfortunately, sometimes, you know, you can get stuck. And I know Gary V talks about this all the time is, you know, if your mom's waiting for you, you know, that's great. You know, maybe have less phone calls with her and get a phone call from someone that can come in and look at your video or look at your, whatever it is and give you some real feedback of like, okay, this is good, intense, right.

[00:30:14] Chris Furlong: You know, the flow is good, but the probably change this or maybe next time try doing that. Um, and that way you can start to take that 1% further. And I think that applies across all areas of life because you know, the people you would interact with, if you were playing tennis, you're going to have different conversations.

[00:30:29] Chris Furlong: You're gonna be talking about tennis game or how you're growing. If your people in your business network, you know, you're talking about that people in your personal, you know, and you're going to be growing and changing in different ways and even like us connecting. Right. You know, when we first connected, we didn't really know anything about each other.

[00:30:45] Chris Furlong: Um, you know, we probably never chatted or then we had you on the pod. Over the year, like, you know, the amount of time we're interacting on a daily, if not weekly basis has been like, you know, exponential. Right. And it's because we're connecting on different things or same interests or areas that we're both trying to grow in.

[00:31:02] Chris Furlong: And that's super exciting because you can see literally in the last year of how important that, you know, connecting with someone growing or someone and helping someone else or getting help from someone else can really, I guess, rocket you into where you need to be. 

[00:31:17] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. And I think the other one I probably didn't touch on is the relationship with yourself.

[00:31:21] Ethan Rooshock: You need to have that positive self-talk. And so for me, I know that for my business and for my YouTube channel and for my NFT project, the only person's opinion at the end of the day, that is going to matter is me because I'm the one that has to live it. Now there's going to be other people. I take things from.

[00:31:37] Ethan Rooshock: And it depends. Each person is different. So I think if you've got a partner it's really important for them to be on board with what you're doing, because they are the closest to living your life. They are living a very similar life because you're either living in the same house or you've got the same goals, et cetera, especially if you've got kids, but then there's other people in your life that you might want the support from, but maybe you've got to distance yourself.

[00:32:00] Ethan Rooshock: So I'm lucky that my parents are very supportive of what I do for the same time. I'm not reliant on them. And same with our partner. They're not business minded. So I don't expect them to sit there and want to talk business 24 7. So that's, that's important that I've got, I know I've got their support, but I don't need their daily input.

[00:32:18] Ethan Rooshock: It's not them. That will give it to me if I need it. And that's different. If I want support on my YouTube channel or business ideas, I might go to someone like yourself and go, well, I know you're a bit more minded than that. You're doing similar stuff and therefore we'll chat, but then it's important to have, if you, the closer you are with someone, the more connection points you need.

[00:32:36] Ethan Rooshock: Something I love, I can chat to you. And we, we chatted about star wars just before we jumped on here. So it's something we've got other mutual things that help us build that relationship that maybe then it builds trust. You know, that people are liking similar things. So therefore you're more comfortable to talk to them about further things.

[00:32:51] Ethan Rooshock: So it's really important to have a range of different relationships, but I think that needs a key one. Is that relationship with yourself and being positive about. Helps you be a better person in relationships with others. And it's really important that you can then provide, you know, everything I've just talked about is what others provide to me.

[00:33:08] Ethan Rooshock: But then that allows me to provide all of those things back to other people. That's, that's really good. 

[00:33:13] Chris Furlong: And I think it's important as you said, you know, knowing yourself that self-awareness and, you know, being able to have that relationship with yourself is important. And I, you know, I'd love to ask you, you know, have you, have you struggled?

[00:33:25] Chris Furlong: And I mean, it's probably an ongoing thing, but you know, what about imposter syndrome? Like, you know, cause I think that's a big one when it comes to, especially someone in business or content creation, you know, there's there's that, uh, people are gonna like this or even having your own business. Right. Um, we don't have to dive into it too much, but how have you dealt or managed with, with that?

[00:33:46] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah, that's an interesting one. I, well, maybe you haven't, you know, I think I have like, YouTube was probably the biggest one that it was like, oh, is anyone really even gonna care? Like, am I important enough that people are going to be. No about my things without the same time going, oh yeah. Everyone should listen to me.

[00:34:02] Ethan Rooshock: So it's that balance of giving yourself the confidence to go. I'm important enough that people want to want to pay attention to me, want to consume my content and the same time going. I'm not that important. And therefore don't get caught up in it. And it's, it's a harsh thing, but I've had the dope in the past and go, do you really think you're that important that these people care about that minuscule detail about you?

[00:34:26] Ethan Rooshock: You're not so therefore don't get caught up in it. We get so caught up in going like, oh, is my hair sitting right? Or did I pronounce that word properly? No one cares. You're not that important. Therefore don't get caught up on that. They want to watch your content for what it is. So, yeah, it's an interesting one.

[00:34:44] Ethan Rooshock: I'm going through that again with my NFTA project going, will anyone buy this? Will I even have one person by this? Am I that, that important? And then I, then I go back. Well, who cares if it flops? I don't care. So I think I'm probably, it's probably a strength of mine that I don't get too caught up in. What other people think of me.

[00:35:03] Ethan Rooshock: And YouTube has really helped with that to go well, I'm just going to do this maybe five years ago, that wasn't the case. I probably wouldn't have had the confidence to do that so 

[00:35:12] Chris Furlong: easier as you progress, but I can relate to this in the last 24 hours. Like my video that I dropped yesterday on my personal channel, you know, I was running late.

[00:35:20] Chris Furlong: I was behind, I hadn't done the thumb down there. Usually if anyone's in the YouTube game, you know, thumbnails and titles, Yeah, that's the click-through, that's what people are going to click through to actually watch the content. And, you know, usually I spend up to 30 minutes building out these, you know, you know, send them to a few people, get some feedback, which one are you clicking?

[00:35:35] Chris Furlong: And I didn't do that cause I was behind schedule. And so I just kind of grabbed something and put something together. Um, I probably only spent 10 minutes on it max, and that that's got my highest click through rate. It got 15%. I was like, what the heck? Like, you know, the ones before there's I spent so much time on this sitting at like 5, 6, 7 and this, you know, I didn't even think about it.

[00:35:55] Chris Furlong: And I'm just like, stuffing. I just it's it. Good enough is done. Right. And, um, yeah, it's sitting at 15% and I was like, it just goes to prove how, like how much we overthink things or like, we worry about the monitor details and, and things like that. So, you know, you're not the 

[00:36:11] Ethan Rooshock: market, the market's going to control what it wants.

[00:36:17] Ethan Rooshock: I'm like, oh, this is the best video ever. And then go the other way. I knew from that you learn from it and your dad. It is. Yeah, it's the joys of content creation. Love 

[00:36:30] Chris Furlong: it. It just blows my mind. Um, now I really appreciate you sharing the stuff about the relationships. I mean, they're super important, right?

[00:36:37] Chris Furlong: And the good thing is like the more, the more you grow, the more you become self-aware and you can learn to how to interact with people. And, you know, there's no perfect way of doing this other than, you know, we're all in this same game together. And, you know, Pete, as he said at the start, you know, people were people and we need people to be able to continue to be great people and good people because, um, we don't, we didn't have all the answers.

[00:36:58] Chris Furlong: The, um, the next topic that we were going to touch on was investing, which I know is, you know, very broad and very, um, it's an interesting topic in the last 30 days. And, you know, we've seen the ASX and the, you know, the, um, New York, New York times, New York times, the New York stock exchange, uh, drop in, you know, You know, it's dropped a good, I think anywhere between six, 7% in different places.

[00:37:21] Chris Furlong: And, um, you know, I've lost a lot of money in the first 30 days of this year and it's overwhelming, but we don't have to touch on that. But investing for you, how has that been important for you to further your life? 

[00:37:35] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah, something that I always was interested in also going into a finance field, you had to be interested in investing and I knew it'd be on my channel three or four months ago.

[00:37:43] Ethan Rooshock: Why I didn't start investing? I think it was 23 and I wish I'd done it at 18, but it was that confusion of gun. I think that imposter syndrome comes in and go, well, am I like good enough to invest? Like, is that isn't that just for rich people? Do I have the right to invest my money or should I just be putting it in the savings account because that's, that's the easy option and what I wish I'd done early.

[00:38:08] Ethan Rooshock: If you learn so much through that investing. And for me, it's really not that much about the money side of it. It's the learning side of it still at my age, you're just wanting to learn about things and learn about projects and stuff like that. And I've had some good investments. Uh, I invested in Afterpay early, cause I like to, I'm not some of this kind of, I don't like technical analysis.

[00:38:29] Ethan Rooshock: It's it's too much for me. And I do some broad ETF investing because that's a simple wife made us go. I don't have to think about it. Put into a broad market thing. That's probably the easiest life, but I have picked some companies. Like I really liked the idea of the company. I liked the business model.

[00:38:44] Ethan Rooshock: I'm business minded. That's why. When I did talk about my NMT project, I've got business strategy sessions because that's something I do think is one of my strengths is going, or what is this business model? Is that going to be successful? How could we tweak that? So to pick a coming off of that, something that I think work well, that was a really good investment to me.

[00:39:01] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. I've then I've dabbled in crypto. And one of the reasons why I do that, it's because I'm learning so much about the tax implications of it. So therefore I can help clients with it. So it'd be projects. I don't know. Maybe it's just a small amount that I put in, but it's a way for me to learn about it.

[00:39:15] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. So that's something that's. Yeah. But I really think investing teaches you a lot about the business world economics, et cetera, which is really interesting. 

[00:39:24] Chris Furlong: Yeah. Okay. And look, I mean, I love how you eat. You've kind of answered my next thing. And I, wasn't going to, I mean, this isn't advice for anyone that's listening, Ava, um, you know, what you should invest in and what you shouldn't, but you know, you mentioned that you do have a broader portfolio in terms of ETFs, and then you have dived into some of the more niche or narrow companies.

[00:39:42] Chris Furlong: Um, but you know, w with that. With the investing part, you know, you said that you wish you had started at 18, and I know we're going to touch on that later around some of the things that you wish you had done earlier, but you know, if you had started earlier, you know, would it, is it just a matter of like, you wish you had done the research or you wish you had just started putting money in earlier?

[00:40:03] Ethan Rooshock: I think it's a bit of bias and it's early. It is not even probably the right term when you've got an idea. It's like, why don't you dive into a bit deeper so I can go. I wish I'd started earlier and in stocks. So I wish I'd done that at 18, but I suppose I did invest in a range things because I've now got such a broad thing, but it's when something comes along, I wish I had done more in crypto earlier.

[00:40:28] Ethan Rooshock: I wish I'd done more in NFTs earlier. So sometimes we come across these things and we a little bit, and I'd rather dabble smaller mountains or learn. And sometimes I just go, I'll do one thing and I just let it see why not just try a few things and then you stick, then you work out a lot work. So even ETFs I've only touched in the last 18 months or so.

[00:40:46] Ethan Rooshock: So yeah, I keep saying earlier, but I'm like, well, I'm still missing those opportunities so I can, can fix that going forward. So, yeah. But yeah, you did mention about broaden. I've got, I do have probably quite broad and some of them are small amounts, but it's just learning. And, and even if you leave a smaller amount, you can monitor that industry and learn about it.

[00:41:05] Ethan Rooshock: And for me, that's really important because if I have clients that I can connect with them and build that relationship by another level. So I've got Australian shares, I've got international shares, I've got ETFs, I've got an investment property, I've got crypto and I've got NFTs. So I do have a broad thing and I've just got little bits in each.

[00:41:23] Ethan Rooshock: And then if someone asks me, oh, what do you do to track your rental property? Oh, I personally got one. Here's a spreadsheet, I guess. What do you do to track your crypto? Oh, I use this software or this software. How do you track your shares or, or did you see what happened in the market? Yes, I did. Cause I know I'm monitoring six different markets.

[00:41:39] Ethan Rooshock: Yes. Okay. 

[00:41:41] Chris Furlong: No, no, that's good. And I love, you know, I was going to ask about, you know, there's so many different investments other than share markets. Right. You know, investment properties and things like that. But I guess one thing, you know, we've been talking about financials here, right? So what about investing in yourself?

[00:41:52] Chris Furlong: Is there anything that you're doing to invest in yourself or have in the past, to, to an Abbott? Cause you know, you could be whether it's taking courses or reading or something, and I know we're going to touch on content consumption soon, but you personally, is there anything that you've invested in to enable you to grow.

[00:42:09] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah, I think you're talking when I talk about a broad investment basis and smaller amounts, the reason why it probably has been small amounts is because I've invested in my business, which has been my investment in myself. So obviously to get to that stage, I had to study, which I did uni courses. I'm still paying that back.

[00:42:27] Ethan Rooshock: I'll be paying that back for a long time. But over the last two to three years, a lot of my money got pulled into whether it was, I had to do a few fix up courses to get a tax agent loss, for instance, and then a lot of that investment then go into the business because to me, that's investing in the longest term asset for me is my business.

[00:42:45] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. And that business doesn't necessarily have to be the accounting business. It's probably me. It's a personal brand of me, hence why I've done the YouTube channel. So I've invested in equipment for the YouTube channel because to me that's an investment in myself and in my investment, I think we can get caught up in what returns our investments can get, whether you're chasing a 7% return of the stock market, whether you're chasing a hundred percent return on crypto, whatever you're trying to do.

[00:43:10] Ethan Rooshock: But for me, the more important thing in the long-term is how can I have income? Because at the end of the day, the income is what's going to support me. If I can make a hundred grand a year, that's going to be all. I have to have a massive portfolio to be able to do that with shares or property. So if I can have an income that supports me and the most important thing, that income is derived for something I love doing that is what I want to invest in, but I'd happily sell all my other investments.

[00:43:36] Ethan Rooshock: If there was an opportunity to grow my personal ability to earn an income that I love doing. Yeah. 

[00:43:43] Chris Furlong: Now that I it's a good mindset, right? Sometimes we all like, you know, we, we touched on it when we were talking about, um, before, you know, everyone there's so much hype around it, right. And everyone just wants to get involved with entities or Bitcoin or crypto or the next latest trend in Pokemon and things like that.

[00:43:58] Chris Furlong: Right. You know, there's all this hype, but actually understanding what's your intent, what's your, why what's your goals? And, you know, as you said there, you said that you'd be willing to sell everything and put it into something else. If it's going to help you get to what you want to be doing and you're enjoying it and it's making you money.

[00:44:13] Chris Furlong: Because that, that I think is really important to understand that when you are investing on all accounts, that you have that in that mindset or that understanding of what is your, why, or what do you, what's your intent? You know, what's your end game, because if it is short term, well, then you're gonna, you're going to play differently too.

[00:44:28] Chris Furlong: If you're playing for 10, 20 years or something. Um, and understanding what that looks like. And I think, you know, kind of coming full circle of how I said at the start, you know, just before we got into the investing that, you know, I had a big drop at the start of this year. Like, you know, I, I was doing.

[00:44:42] Chris Furlong: Could you not $60,000. And it was kinda like, cool. You know, I'd had lost a lot before, but to have that dip, it's kinda like, you can just feel like this big sinking your gut. But when I zoomed out, I realized, well, I've been doing this for eight years, but you know, that that's nothing compared to what I've grown over the last eight years in terms of being, you know, having invested monies or invested stocks or whatever.

[00:45:04] Chris Furlong: And you know, now it's starting to crawl back up and we're going back up again and it's that roller coaster. But I think it's so important to understand because I'm thinking well at the end of the day, yeah, I've lost a lot right now, but I'm actually only just as bad as I was four months ago. So it's kind of like, it's nothing from an eight year journey and I'm planning to be in it for another 8, 10, 20 years.

[00:45:23] Chris Furlong: So it's like having that mindset really, really changes the game. Okay. So I had a, 

[00:45:28] Ethan Rooshock: probably a similar experience. And again, this is why things are volatile and yours is over an eight year period. This is over an eight month period, but got back to the NMT things I bought. One of the V friends got married.

[00:45:40] Ethan Rooshock: It's a long-term hold for me. And I hope to still have it in 10 years time, for instance. But I think I paid $4,000 for it. And six months later, which was probably about six months ago, it was probably worth about $95,000, which is just an insane growth thing. Now that now is worth probably about 40,000.

[00:45:58] Ethan Rooshock: So again, I'm probably in a similar situation to you where it's like a 60 grand loss, but if I zoom back out and go, oh, if someone said to me, your four grand investment was the worst 40 12 months later, you'd jump at the opportunity. So we forget and we look at go all what where's my investment at versus it's all time high rather than looking at well, where's it at versus the all time low.

[00:46:19] Ethan Rooshock: That might be, is a better thing to have your mindset. Now, if we could all sell at the highest we all would, we'd sell a home, we'd buy the life. No one can do that. And therefore you judge yourself on that. Like if you sat there and judge yourself and go, oh, I lost that money and oh, what am I going to do that?

[00:46:33] Ethan Rooshock: So a year's worth of work. Yeah, mental health is just not good for you. 

[00:46:39] Chris Furlong: Oh, but it's so true. Right. It's, it's such an important thing to understand. Um, and it's a pulse check, right? I mean, I know we can chat about this for a very long time, so I'll stop it there, but I think that's a really good piece of advice.

[00:46:50] Chris Furlong: Understand what's your lowest. Um, you'd rather than just understanding what's your highest, because then where you're at at the moment, you know, is that closer to a higher, or are you actually close to a lower, but even if you're close to a low is still above your low. So it's like, it's really not that bad.

[00:47:05] Ethan Rooshock: So, and you still got something that money on food or something. 

[00:47:10] Chris Furlong: Exactly, exactly. Right. So the last point then, um, is content consumption. You know, I'd love to hear and it's different for everyone. Some people focus their time on, you know, education or, you know, Ted talks or, you know, what they're watching or who their go to podcast is or who their go to influences, um, and content consumption.

[00:47:28] Chris Furlong: You know, we, we can take it in so many different ways and I'd love to hear from you or, you know, what are some of the things that you like to go to, to get that inspiration or to get some level of influence or that you just find yourself always listening to, to, to help, uh, help further your. Yeah, 

[00:47:45] Ethan Rooshock: I could probably break my content consumption down into probably four areas.

[00:47:50] Ethan Rooshock: So for motivation or inspiration, I'm a big Gary V fan and I've taught, I probably thought about it on your podcast. I talk about a lot. It's just someone I resonate with. I love a lot of his theories on things and his reasons why, and then a dialogue, most of his focus is on providing value to people, trying to give 51 49, giving more in a relationship.

[00:48:09] Ethan Rooshock: The more you get back, we'll always put you in the ability where you can feel comfortable with what you do. So that's probably the biggest thing that I try to take them. A life is always give more than you receive and therefore you can always live and go, well, I gave everything I could and you're not, then you don't become reliant on what other people give you.

[00:48:25] Ethan Rooshock: You become reliant on what you can give out. Think it's all about the more self control you have on situations better. So I really like a lot of his content for motivation and for business, he doesn't have. In depth things that are actual real world advice, which I love. I love that. Then I try not to mix it up with Tony.

[00:48:45] Ethan Rooshock: You know, I, I'm a terrible, I don't read a lot of books and don't consume a lot of content in that area from others because I've found something that works for me. So I know that I get a lot of what he says, and I don't need to then consume six different other people's opinions on things, because that works for me, I suppose, the next day.

[00:49:03] Ethan Rooshock: Actual technical business knowledge. And I need to do that. That's probably an area that I probably need to do more of because obviously I have to consume stuff to keep up with tax laws and stuff like that. Yeah. That's the boring stuff. It's not the interesting stuff. And it's when it needs to be. So I did a course not long ago, a four day course on crypto.

[00:49:19] Ethan Rooshock: So do you want 

[00:49:20] Chris Furlong: to do that like on a annual basis or something like that? I have to 

[00:49:23] do 

[00:49:23] Ethan Rooshock: a hundred and 120 hours over three years or something. So that's was about 40 hours. So it almost works out to be about an hour a week of when you're actually working. So I did a training course on zero accounting software yesterday.

[00:49:35] Ethan Rooshock: So you're doing those things through the year. Um, hopefully this year you'll be able to go to some conferences and stuff that might be a two or three day event. We can cram some of that in, but yeah, that's something I have to do. And it's probably something I want to do more on in particular areas. And I really want to know more about these stock and help clients with that.

[00:49:51] Ethan Rooshock: So that's just something I have to do quite interestingly through the day I consume a lot of comedy. So I'll have comedy podcasts and stuff running most of the day, or these things live in my, uh, live in my ears. I'm pretty short and it's a way for me, I can sit there and work and on someone that could work and listen at the same time.

[00:50:08] Ethan Rooshock: Okay. So I love doing that. I hate them when I'm video editing and I can't listen to something else, listen to myself. But yeah, that's another area that I consume content and because it breaks things up for me that it's something like that. I find podcasts because I can tune in and out if I'm concentrating on something and I miss it a bit, it doesn't really matter as much.

[00:50:27] Ethan Rooshock: Um, I continue music as well while I'm doing stuff, but yeah, I really love comedy podcasts. So that's a really important thing for me. And then all of these, you have your consumption outside of work hours. I love watching TV shows. I really love going to the movies lately. That's something that's really big on me that I feel like daddy, I'm like, I wonder what movies are on.

[00:50:44] Ethan Rooshock: I was only cinema and I really enjoyed that experience. So that's another area of consumed content. I think it's really important to have a mix of that inspirational content, no matter who you are. I think there should be some kind of inspirational content. Good for your mental health. It's just that positive reinforcement, obviously, whatever you were doing, normally there is some kind of technical knowledge or some kind of content that you consume around your work.

[00:51:06] Ethan Rooshock: And then it's important to have those content of that is completely irrelevant. You want to have something that is that takeaway? 

[00:51:14] Chris Furlong: Okay. No, it's good. I mean, you've covered all, all elements there. It's really good. And I think it's important to have those different, I guess it's kind of like a Venn diagram, you know, whether it's for fun or leisure and this stuff for business and all that, because it's important.

[00:51:28] Chris Furlong: And as you said, everyone, each to their own, and everyone's going to be different, like for me, um, you know, when I'm running, um, that's when I'm consuming audio books or podcasts or music, but then also when I'm doing script writing or planning or, you know, I put on a different kind of playlist to try and news get into that zone.

[00:51:43] Chris Furlong: And, you know, through the day when I'm listing and stuff, that's when I might be catching it with other people's content and hearing it, or, you know, there's a stuff that I want to learn and listen about and it's, you can have it in the background and just consume it. And it's, it's interesting how everyone does it differently.

[00:51:57] Chris Furlong: You know, like I hated reading books. Um, cause I just get tired. But then when I realized it's like, I'm like, I feel like I'm missing out. Like, cause everyone's like, ah, you know, the best book ever. And then it changed my life and I'm like, oh, you know, here we go again. But then I found a way to listen to it.

[00:52:11] Chris Furlong: And then when I started listening to it, I realized I'm like, oh my God. You know, I, I, I've missed out on so many books for so long and, you know, but, you know, I think it's really cool and I love the idea how you set her up, you know, going out and also, you know, doing those different things outside of just your own, you know, world or whatever.

[00:52:27] Chris Furlong: I mean, for me, um, I haven't really been a big movie buff, but I, you know, I've, I've been really enjoying playing video games because, you know, it's something that kind of, it changes everything. You literally have to switch off from business mode or podcast mode and all that, and it's a great way to reset.

[00:52:41] Chris Furlong: But of course, now that we're starting to open up, you can start to do more of those activities outside of home. And, um, you know, I did go to the movies the other week and, you know, it was a great experience, went outfits and dinner. We went to a movie and it was just great to have that conversation, but, you know, can choose something different and share that experience with someone too.

[00:52:56] Chris Furlong: So 

[00:52:58] Ethan Rooshock: it's the sharing of experiences. What I love about the personal content. I suppose the stuff that's not work related. I love having stuff that I can talk to other people about it. Yeah. So if it's a movie, if it's a TV show, if it's a podcast, I think comedy related, whatever. It's great to be able to share that.

[00:53:15] Ethan Rooshock: And that comes back to everything we talk about relationships. Is it? That's what helps build your relationships, those common interests. So whether it's a conversation with you about star wars or whether it's a conversation with my brother about comedy podcasts, it's that sharing of your content? That's so, so important to maintaining relationships and having common interest points.

[00:53:34] Chris Furlong: It's funny because a lot of the time you don't realize that, but even just reflecting now on I'm like, you know, I like every time before we, you know, we, we, we catch on my waist thinking how we actually connected. Right. And we did, we stumbled upon each other on YouTube, but like, I'm trying to think back, you know, why, what, what was the thing that stood out, right.

[00:53:53] Chris Furlong: And you reflect on that. It's like, because obviously something resonated and, um, I think that's important because the more we share. You know, not, not about that. You have to show everything of your life, but you know, being willing to have that different conversation or, you know, when someone does ask you about, you know, what did you do this weekend or what, you know, there's always that cliche, small talk, oh, you know, how was your weekend?

[00:54:11] Chris Furlong: And it was just, yeah, it was good. And you don't really say anything, but, you know, I encourage you. If, if someone asks you, how was your weekend? Like, you know, call their bluff, humor them and actually tell them, oh, you know, I did this or I went skateboarding because it's going to really change the conversation.

[00:54:27] Chris Furlong: All of a sudden you're going to realize, okay, well, they actually. Curiously interested, genuinely interested or were they just doing it? Small talk, but also ask other people, like it's a great way to learn new things. And you might not have realized that someone, you know, was training to be some special athlete or maybe they compete at a state or national level because you've never asked them.

[00:54:45] Chris Furlong: Right. It's like, yeah. You know, and, and being willing to actually ask and curiously. No, I think it's, it's a great way to further your life, right? Because you're going to be consuming. It's not content necessarily, but you're learning so much more of this stuff that you didn't know and what you don't know, you don't know.

[00:55:00] Chris Furlong: So the more you can kind of take it, it's like curiosity with, we thrive of 

[00:55:04] Ethan Rooshock: curiosity. Yeah. There's more to us than what we do for a living. So surprising us. I've had clients that have reached out to me and just from my YouTube, I have things in my background just over here. Like stuff that's important to me.

[00:55:18] Ethan Rooshock: And I've had clients reach out and go, oh, I knew you're the accountant for me because you love iron man. And you've read the barefoot investor. Like, so it's a straightaway, it's a common talking point to go off. What did you think of this? Or what do you think of that? So we're all human. We love different things outside of what we do.

[00:55:35] Ethan Rooshock: And there's a good chance that we can connect with people on other levels, whether that's video games, whether it's movies, TV, Podcasts books. There's so many different things, and I'm sure most people that you deal with on a day to day basis consume content as well. So why not talk about it? 

[00:55:50] Chris Furlong: That's it now I love it.

[00:55:51] Chris Furlong: And I want to, you know, we've touched on so much here and it really deep, and I know we've already alluded to some of the things that we're going to touch on now, which is, you know, with all these things that you're doing now and, you know, you're enjoying and, you know, out of those, you know, with hindsight, hindsight's great because it's a chance for us to reflect back and think, you know, if only we had done that, but then it's a chance to kind of start to do it now.

[00:56:12] Chris Furlong: Right. So I'd love to hear, and you've already touched on it a bit with the finance stuff, but like, you know, what, what with hindsight, what have you wished that you had started earlier and why? Cause I think it's important for people to realize, and it will be different for everyone of why you wish you had done it.

[00:56:27] Chris Furlong: And how important you think it would have been. You know, if you had started, let's say, you said the investing is the first one. If you had started, you know, four or five years earlier, what difference do you think that would have made and how that could make a difference for someone that's like. 

[00:56:42] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. So I think the investing almost out of that, if I started four or five years earlier, I'd love to see one of the monetary growth of what our portfolio looks like with an extra five years.

[00:56:51] Ethan Rooshock: Even if you're putting, if you're putting five grand in a year, well, that's another 25 grand you've already invested, let alone the growth of that. And then you can obviously talk about the lessons you've learned. So, you know, you might've gone, oh, I discovered ETS much quicker. Therefore I would have rather put all my money into that because maybe you want it to just invest in something where you didn't have to put any thought into it.

[00:57:10] Ethan Rooshock: You just put the same, same amount to the same ETF every month. So it's that, that lessons you learn quickly for me with investing with NFTs, I've been dabbling in it for a year now. I wish I had dabbled in it more in the first six months. Maybe I would have now each two sides. Maybe I would've discovered a project that massively ballooned in value and I might have made some money, but at the same time, if I hadn't invested in it more small projects, it would've made me starting my own project.

[00:57:33] Ethan Rooshock: A hell of a lot easier because I would have understood more of what works for people. Yep. So it's having multiple reasons why it could have furthered my life by investing earlier of not just the monetary gain, because most people probably think, oh yeah, maybe which they invested earlier. So they got richer quicker.

[00:57:48] Ethan Rooshock: It's not that it's the lessons I would learned quicker and be therefore being able to apply them earlier. Yeah. 

[00:57:55] Chris Furlong: Which makes sense. I mean, it's, I, it's one of those things where it's like with anything, right. You know, you put the work in and you're not seeing the result and you probably don't see it for another five, 10 years.

[00:58:06] Chris Furlong: But I think with the investing, you know, if, if I could recommend to anyone, like most people, when they start, they feel. Uh, you know, what's 50 bucks going to do, like, you know, they don't see the difference and maybe they see it go up, you know, a couple of percent or when they got couple of cents on it, maybe $2, $5.

[00:58:21] Chris Furlong: And it, you know, it's like, ah, you're not really getting it, but it's that consistency over a long period of time. And as you said, if you had put $5,000 a year over five years, it's 25,000. But you know, if the return on average is seven to 10%, it's that starts to compound so quickly. And usually I look, I don't want to butcher the quote, so people please do your own research, but I think compounding starts to really pay its big dividends starting from seven or eight years.

[00:58:47] Chris Furlong: Right. And then from that point, that's when you start to see the momentum or the snowball effect really starts to pick up, which is why it is so important that the first years before that seven or eight years, that you are putting that consistency. And it doesn't matter if it's $10, $20 or a thousand dollars or it's like with running or anything.

[00:59:04] Chris Furlong: Right. That's when things start to really. You know, you can snowball build up that big foundation and then you can apply it or it will start to execute. And it's the same with knowledge or learning and going through a career. When you first go into a job, you're a graduate or you're a newbie. You don't know what you're doing.

[00:59:21] Chris Furlong: You've got to learn first couple of years, you're still making mistakes. That's fine. That's expected. But once you start getting closer to that, five to seven years, you've narrowed down, you've niched down, you've got a set of skills and you're less likely to be making those mistakes unless you go start a whole new career again.

[00:59:37] Chris Furlong: And that's when you can start to then say, well, you can start to have that authority to demand more, a pay rise, or you're getting to the next level. You're leading a team. You're influencing people because you can't just go in and start doing all that from day one, because you have nothing behind you.

[00:59:53] Chris Furlong: You're just literally another. You know, a speck of sand in a big ocean of people, all trying to build themselves. Um, and I think that's a great parallel to it because you can not expect that whatever you're investing in, as I said, whether it's yourself or the money it's going to come over time, um, and the sooner you can do that, or so the sooner you can realize that, but understand, you know, and I'm the same, like, you know, I, I invested when I was 21.

[01:00:20] Chris Furlong: If I had started when I was 18, you know, now I can see the benefits of it, but it's scary. Right. And I really encourage people just, just start asking questions, see how you can do it. If you can afford 50 bucks, that will change your life in eight, 10 years, if you can do that on a weekly, monthly, or however regular basis.

[01:00:37] Chris Furlong: So that's really, really encouraging to hear that. And then the second one, I think you had put was around that you wish you had started earlier is community. And I'm really curious to hear about. 

[01:00:47] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. So I wish I had started to build a community around myself earlier and back to myself that people would be interested in that.

[01:00:55] Ethan Rooshock: Or even if they weren't interested that I was interested in seeing that journey. Like you said, you reflect on things and you reflect on our, where was I at 12 months ago? And imagine if you documented that whole process from the start, and I think that's really cool with what you're doing with the reselling, because you've done that from the start.

[01:01:11] Ethan Rooshock: So now in 10 years time, if you're still doing it, you can go, oh, there's a whole documentation process of where you were from start to finish. Yeah. So I think content creation, I wish I had done earlier because people love to watch the journey of someone from where they end up. And I'm definitely not there yet, but you can see all the steps I've taken to get there and actually show.

[01:01:33] Ethan Rooshock: Um, so many con like big content creators. Now how many times do you go back? And I was only watching someone the other day that has tens of millions of subscribers. And you go back and see their first video. Oh, wow. So building that community, and obviously I'm doing that through multiple channels of the business and the YouTube channel.

[01:01:50] Ethan Rooshock: And now hopefully Dan Ft project is building up a community that you could contribute to and be a part of, I think is really important. And the earlier you do that and it might be, it doesn't have to be your own community. It may be just contributing and having that confidence to contribute. And it doesn't have to be educational.

[01:02:08] Ethan Rooshock: What about if it's running your favorite comedians and they have a community and you just want to get involved and you never were brave enough to call into the radio station or contribute something or send them a message. Why not do it? Cause I feel like it, it snowballs. It does, it increases your confidence.

[01:02:22] Ethan Rooshock: It maybe makes you want to go do it again. Or maybe you learn, oh, I don't really want to be a part of that community, but the quicker you do things that. Yeah, it's 

[01:02:30] Chris Furlong: so true. Right. And to be Frank for everyone, you know, at the moment I, the thing I struggle with is, you know, reaching out to people that are way further ahead of me, right?

[01:02:40] Chris Furlong: And this whole podcast is about fear for your life. Right. You know, like I want to get people on here that are going to be game changes, you know, because they're further along the timeline, but there is that we talked on impostor syndrome, there's the doubt. Or there's the things I'm thinking, ah, you know, they won't have the time for me or won't have the time for this and really challenging myself to do it.

[01:03:00] Chris Furlong: Because one, as you said, if you, you take that step, you, if you get rejected, it's, you're going to get over it quicker. Which means you're going to go back for more and keep pushing or find someone else. And plus if you send out 10 and you get five people come back, it's like, we got 50% that have said yes, and you're five up.

[01:03:16] Chris Furlong: It's like, and if I had never said anything, well then I'm 10 down. So you know, that, that, that context or that, I guess that perception changes things really quickly. And the best thing you can do is continue to try, right. If we're stuck in our heads and not willing to give things a go we'll reach out or build a community or have a conversation, or as you sit, you know, you're growing your Twitter this year, you're growing your, your discourse.

[01:03:39] Chris Furlong: You've never dabbled in that area, but now you're growing in it, you know, you've got, I think you've got 103 or four people in discord now, which, you know, it was probably in the four months ago, not even, probably even less than that, that, you know, you had zero. Um, and you've had to learn so much and you're getting, you know, in a whole new space and it's the same for Twitter building new ways of connecting.

[01:03:57] Chris Furlong: And because they are everyone connects differently in these different areas of social media and people hate Facebook. Some people love Twitter, vice versa. Right. And I think it's important that if you're not willing to commit to something for a long period of time, then you can't expect to get results.

[01:04:14] Chris Furlong: Right. Because. It kind of comes back to the investing one. It's exactly the same community because you're investing into people you're investing into, you know, whether it's a small community or a big community, what you put in is what you're going to get out of it. Um, and there's some talking to myself here as well.

[01:04:29] Chris Furlong: So I really encourage you, you sharing that because it's always great to hear perspective from, from other people in all their different areas. Um, before we, before we wrap up, uh, two things that I want to, if you're anything that you kind of want to leave with the audience, um, before we finish up. 

[01:04:48] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah.

[01:04:48] Ethan Rooshock: The biggest thing I touched on, I think I finished up the last time, which is just starting things, but I think it's the easiest way to further your life in general is to start things because the quicker you start things, the quicker you can decide whether you continue or you stop. Yeah. So whether it's exercise, whether it's eating healthy, whether it's building relationships, whether it was business related, whether it's content related, the quirkiest, start on something.

[01:05:11] Ethan Rooshock: The quicker that you can't build a, this snowball can't happen until you start building the snowball. Yeah. You have to start somewhere. Just starting something. Yeah. It just builds so many. And so many of these things cross over into other areas of your life that you don't realize that maybe a positive eating attitude and eating healthy may improve your ability to exercise, maybe improves your relationships, or maybe it increases your confidence that you start a business.

[01:05:39] Ethan Rooshock: Like they never know where that crossover effect will happen. And you don't know it until you try something. Love it. 

[01:05:45] Chris Furlong: It's so good. And where where's the best. I mean, I know I've asked you this before, but now where is the best place to come over and follow you and find out all the, all the stuff and to follow the.

[01:05:57] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. So obviously I've still got the YouTube channel I'm closing in on 20,000 subscribers. So I think when we first, like I was just under the thousand, that's been coat at the biggest place at the moment for me is honestly the discord because it surprised me that how many people are contributing in there and answering each other's questions.

[01:06:14] Ethan Rooshock: And some of the questions people are asking, and then there are about a range of things. It's tax related script. I realized NFTA related business related, personal finance related, and suddenly people are going in asking questions and I'm like, they're challenging me. So they're challenging each other.

[01:06:28] Ethan Rooshock: And it's been a really cool start to a community of going, oh wow. Like this person's either invested in this or this person has got a question about running a business and other people like, oh, well I did this. And I think that's really cool that the fact that once you can build a community that then interacts with each other is honestly the greatest achievement I've ever had when it comes to business.

[01:06:47] Ethan Rooshock: It's like, oh wow, people are interested enough to help other people, my community. So I'd love to see people join that. Obviously I've got the NFT project coming up. For me, I'd rather provide value to people first and then they buy into that. I'm not just saying I'd love for people to go and buy the NFTs, but I want them to feel like they're going to get value out of that.

[01:07:05] Chris Furlong: Yeah. And, and the way this code works is, I mean, so we've got the link in the, in the description and details below, but, um, it's, it's kind of like an invite only kind of thing. Like you can't just search up for it. Can you like, is that correct? 

[01:07:18] Ethan Rooshock: Yeah. I think there's the ability to eat in some areas and, you know, I can print it, but the general thing is you get an invite link.

[01:07:24] Ethan Rooshock: Yep. So the way I'd liken it to those that maybe are being around the internet for a bit longer, it's almost like forums back in the day where you'd have a community and a forum and that's people going that's true. And the discord allows you to have, you know, you've got different channels and different areas that people just interact and people who've got them.

[01:07:41] Ethan Rooshock: I've seen people have it for their friend group. Like it's. Yeah. It's an interesting, and it's a learning experience. Definitely, but yeah, a really cool area to do interact on a more personal basis and what I can through. 

[01:07:52] Chris Furlong: Awesome. I love it, man. I'm so excited. Like I appreciate you coming on and we've had some great conversations, deep conversations, and there's a lot to take, take in and digest from this one.

[01:08:02] Chris Furlong: And I encourage everyone that's listening is, you know, if there was something here that we did speak about today that, you know, go join Ethan's discord and, and jump in there. I'm in there myself and then asking some questions. If you want to know a bit more, you can reach in there. Otherwise all these other socials are down in the details below and you to connect on Twitter or, um, Instagram, YouTube, all those great places.

[01:08:23] Chris Furlong: Right. And, you know, I've really appreciated growing in the last year of Ethan. Because as I said before, we we've, we have been connecting almost on a daily basis of, of recent. And it's really great to be able to, you know, see how far he's progressed. And I think that's the other reason having him come back is so important for you guys to see that what he's achieved in a year and that changing growth and you know where he's going now.

[01:08:43] Chris Furlong: And the good thing is that this is possible for anyone that else is listening as well. So really it's all about furthering your lifestyle. Right. So really appreciate you being here, Ethan. Um, yeah. May it's been, it's 

[01:08:53] Ethan Rooshock: been a blast now. Thank you very much. I love coming on here and yeah, I'd come in here all the time.

[01:08:58] Ethan Rooshock: I love that. And really can't wait to see what else you've got planned for the podcast in 2022, because it definitely helps me further my lifestyle listening to some of these great guests you've got on. So I'm really excited for the future for Nora and myself, but for yourself as well. Thanks so much, Mike.

[01:09:11] Chris Furlong: Well, you have a wonderful day and we'll talk soon. Thanks. So there you go. What an awesome episode. And I think there's some really big takeaways here, but the number one here for me is understanding everyone else's journey does not necessarily mean it's going to be the same for you, but I think it's important that we hear from other people here, how their journey has come to pass so far and see what we can take from their lessons, take from their mistakes, take from their journey and see how we can use that at our own advantage.

[01:09:42] Chris Furlong: You know, I did this episode with the intense, so you can hear his perspective on what he's been doing to further his life, whether that's exercising, investing his relationships and so on. How you do it will be different, but there might be something here that you've been able to take away. I would really encourage you to see what you can apply from this episode, from this conversation.

[01:10:03] Chris Furlong: And I would love to hear from you, you can connect with us via Instagram. That's at further your lifestyle or via Twitter at further your life. Or you can drop us an email at hello at furtheryourlifestyle.com. And I would love to continue that conversation with you. If you've got a question or something that has resonated with you, let me know let's continue the conversation.

[01:10:22] Chris Furlong: And secondly, the other thing that I wanted to bring to attention is go get involved in Ethan's community. He's doing an amazing NFT project. There's some really exciting things to come there, but he's just a great guy and he's got some really good knowledge and understanding. I think it would be a great opportunity for you to go dive in to his community and see what you can learn from him.

[01:10:40] Chris Furlong: I've learned a lot from Ethan already. We were almost talking on a daily basis at this point, and it's been great to be able to see his journey. Of course, I would also love to encourage you to, if this episode resonated with you or maybe another episode, Or you think it might help someone else? If you could please share it with someone else, if you could share it with them, um, or maybe just share it in your own social feed.

[01:11:01] Chris Furlong: That would mean the world. To me, I have a goal to grow this podcast this year, and the best way I can do that is we've you and you listening helps me big time, but if I can have that little extra support, we can get this podcast in front of a lot more people. And I think we can further the lives of others so much more appreciate being here.

[01:11:18] Chris Furlong: Of course, as I said, if you've got any questions, comments do, let me know. Otherwise you have a wonderful day. Cheers. Now, if you didn't know, we do have the podcast merge and this is with a key focus of enamel pins. Now, if you haven't checked these out, make sure you do because the intent of these are really just to be a small token and reminder for you to charge on, to push on and to further your lifestyle, whether it is a gift for someone else to encourage them or maybe to inspire them, or maybe it's a way to motivate.

[01:11:45] Chris Furlong: Or you can simply just make a purchase to simply support the podcast, which would be greatly appreciated. We do also have some sweaters and some long tees, so make sure you check it out, link in the description and in the show notes really do appreciate it. Cheers.